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Here's what he said
Learning Micole’s class made me wonder about the class of some of my other critics, so I did a couple minutes of googling to see what they’d said on the subject. The answer, not surprisingly, is very little. There's [info]veejane  a graduate of Choate, the prep school I was kicked out of (for being caught drinking and, as I was told, being suspected of dealing drugs—my grades were around a B+, as I remember). There’s [info]icecreamempress , who describes herself as being from a “very upper-middle-class white WASP family.” There’s [info]vom_marlowe , whose grandmother and mine (on my father’s side) could share hardship stories, but whose college cost $30,000, so if that came from family, vom_marlowe is, at least, as privileged as I was.
 
 
For the fucking RECORD, I come from a mixed class background.  My father was middle class.  My mother was lower-class shit poor.  My mother did not have her own underwear or clothes or bed or room, but shared with her (nine other) siblings.  My parents divorced and I lived with my mother.  My father was not legally obligated to support me by the results of the divorce agreement and because he is an asshole, he DID NOT.  Do not anyone dare say that I should somehow have managed to get him to pay.  He threatened to starve my dog when I was ten. 

My first year of college, my family's entire household income was six thousand dollars.  Yes, that's right.  SIX FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS.  I used some of my school loan book money to buy groceries for my mother because she did not have any food in the house. 

When I was in college, yes, that super duper expensive college Mr Fucking Will Shetterly, I had one pair of underwear that I washed out every night before I went to bed, and if I forgot, then I wore it anyway.  And if it didn't dry, I wore it wet. 

When we lived in the duplex, we had rats.  The landlord didn't care.  The city didn't care.  You want to know how to get rid of rats if you have no money?  Mix chlorine bleach and ammonia together and pour it down their holes.  Of course, it creates a deadly gas, but hey.  You do what you gotta do.  That's the kind of life I led. 

That's lower class. 

FUCK YOU.  FUCK YOU.  FUCK YOU.

How DARE YOU COMPARE US, you little trust fund baby. 

I worked my ass to the bone, I went gray in my twenties, I never slept, I worked every fucking holiday, every fucking vacation to get that education.  Also, you're still banned

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[info]adamant_angel wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:05 pm (UTC)
Uhm. WOW. Fuck.

Do you want me to find him and beat within an inch of his life with his own shoes? Because, for you, I'd do it for free. Normally that kind of job costs.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:07 pm (UTC)
Bwahahahaha~

I love you.
[info]cozzene wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
Wow, that takes balls to spew such filth. It just goes to show you never know when evil people will pop out from under a rock.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
I just can't even believe the guy. I used to love his wife's books, too.
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[info]nekojita wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:07 pm (UTC)
... it really is a 'commit a homicide and stay out of jail' card day, isn't it?

*hugs*

[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC)
It really, really is.
[info]cicer wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
My jaw is on the floor right now. That guy is clearly the most epic asshole who ever climbed out of the primordial ooze. I regret that I do not have an angry enough icon for this comment. Arg.

Also. Dude. Wearing second-hand clothing/sharing a room with siblings/living in a small house? That is not lower-class. Lower-class is going hungry because you have no money for food. It's living in a car because you can't even afford a roof over your head. Having your 'basic expenses covered', as he put it, means you are comfortably middle-class. Oh boo-hoo, he washed dishes for spending money! Obviously he knows the trials and tribulations of the truly poor! Give me a fucking break. What a douche.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
I can't even reply to him. Doing dishes is his comparison?? ZOMG.

Yes. So angry.
[info]cynbaby wrote:
Feb. 26th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
God damn, some people are stupid.
Not you, dear, but this moron who's got an axe the size of the university in question to grind.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 12:21 am (UTC)
The batshit crazy is strong with him. *froths quietly*
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[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 01:58 am (UTC)
Hee! I love you and your sporking ways!!
[info]buymeaclue wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 12:56 am (UTC)
I said it before about this, but it's still true!

WHAT THE FUCK.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 01:59 am (UTC)
I don't even know what to make of the total crazy. I keep hearing that he is a nice guy in person, but it makes me wonder if it is an alternate personality or something.
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[info]chomiji wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)

Could he possibly get more revolting? I'd love to be able to say "no," but sadly, he keeps surprising me. What a tool.

You oughta let me have first punch at him. That way, he'll also have the shame of being decked by a 50-year-old woman with a heart condition.

>hugs!!<

[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
A friend said, he's not just a tool, he's a whole Home Depot!

Also, hee!
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[info]pureyaoi wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)
o.O I have no idea who this guy is, but he writes like an elitist, condescending, self-congratulatory asshole.

Who seems to think you're a dude.

Whatta genius?
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
have no idea who this guy is, but he writes like an elitist, condescending, self-congratulatory asshole. Hee!

Oh, he's a SFF writer. I think he's more famous now for being a jerk on the internet.

And yeah, I don't know where he got the idea I'm a guy. I just... *scratches head*
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[info]coffeeandink wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 05:28 am (UTC)
*hugs*
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
Thanks!
[info]kispexi2 wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 08:18 am (UTC)
I think the most supportive comment I can make is: Who the fuck is Will Shetterly?
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
Bwahahahaha! You are awesome. *hugs you tight*
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[info]scribblemoose wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 09:01 am (UTC)
What an arrogant bastard! Doesn't he have anything better to do with his time?
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
Apparently not! O.o
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 10:24 am (UTC)
You know, I think he thinks you're a guy because in his world, women are probably pretty little things who don't work and don't get poor. Because men take care of them, or something.
I wouldn't be surprised.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. That, of he thinks women are always 'nice'.
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[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
I don't why he's on the internet. Seriously, if I was his publisher, I'd beg him to quit.
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[info]boadecia wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
Uh, someone had the gall to piss over your accomplishments because you were able to accomplish them? So the fuck what if your college cost $30k? You worked your ass off going through college. Fucker.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
He's quite something, isn't he? *hugs you tight* It was great to see you today, sweetie.
[info]cofax7 wrote:
Feb. 27th, 2009 06:52 pm (UTC)
Oy, I'm sorry. What a douchebag he is.

I know someone (mostly electronically) who has been friends with him & his wife for years, and my aquaintance swears they're really lovely people, and yet... yikes. How is that possible? Internet Derangement Syndrome strikes again.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 01:29 am (UTC)
I've heard the same thing--it completely baffles me. Lovely in person, and yet online...
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[info]greyorm wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
I popped over from Will's spot to see if you were just having a bad day, and if you're usually rational or not, and my...for a liberal college girl, you and your posse are certainly acting like a bunch of hate-filled self-righteous right-wingers.

Hopefully you can see past your anger and your sounding chamber of support to realize a supposition is not a claim: "...if that came from family..."

Note the key word in his statement, at least if you're done swearing, misrepresenting claims, calling people sexist, and threatening violence. (But given the shameful display I've seen so far: here's to being sworn at and banned!)

IDS indeed.
[info]boadecia wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 06:45 am (UTC)
Oh it's a vent. Calm down. *eye roll*
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[info]mattador wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 07:41 am (UTC)
Isn't this reaction a little much for a mistake? A graceless and insulting mistake, but... it was an incorrect assumption about background, not an indictment of character.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Feb. 28th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
it was an incorrect assumption about background, not an indictment of character

That is an interpretation, certainly.

However, I've seen Will argue enough that I feel that it was a statement against my character, yes.
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[info]jamiam wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 02:47 pm (UTC)
God, why has Will managed to turn another discussion of racism into a discussion of classism? AGAIN.

I'm sorry.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks.
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[info]heavenscalyx wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
I pause to offer my total-stranger-WTF about Shetterly and his commentary about you. What IS it with this man? And WHAT is his OBSESSION with class (to the exclusion of thinking about, say, race, gender, etc)? And WHY does he feel he has the right to speculate by implication about ANYONE?

The more I read of what he's written, the more I wonder why anyone who actually cares about him hasn't locked up any means he might have for contacting the Internet and threatened, in a totally loving interventional toughlove sort of way, to smash his fingers the next time he touches a keyboard connected to the Internet. Because every time he writes, the message that appears between his lines is, "LA LA LA I HAVE NO PANTS PLEASE ADMIRE MY MIGHTY ASS WHICH I HAVE EXPOSED HERE JUST FOR YOU!"
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
It's totally baffling. I have heard from reliable sources that an intervention has been attempted more than once. WTF.
[info]delux_vivens wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 03:00 pm (UTC)
This is really unbelievable.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
The speculations that veer into RPF creep me out.
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[info]skywardprodigal wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
Wow. I think what you're being subjected to by him is foul.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
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[info]pats_quinade wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 05:45 pm (UTC)
Here via rydra_wong. Just wanted to say that you are fantastic and awesome, and Will is a hateful old jackass. I don't think it's worth hoping that he changes, so I just hope he continues to slide steadily into obscure irrelevance at a nice brisk pace.
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 09:22 pm (UTC)
Aw, thank you!
[info]la_vie_noire wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 05:53 pm (UTC)
via rydra_wong
Wow, I'm so sorry.

I was hoping this shit was over, but well, people still coming to the race fail.

That's what I call derailing the conversation. When someone calls you on your racism you can always appeal to some supposed privilege they have over you even if it wasn't mentioned in the conversation and has no problematic connotations (you know, it isn't like some random white person calling Indigenous people on "the sexism of their culture!!" or something like that).

And you know. Shetterly and class. Don't these people get a clue?
[info]vom_marlowe wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 09:22 pm (UTC)
Re: via rydra_wong
Thanks. He derails everything. It's so maddening!
[info]yeloson wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
You know what? You don't have to justify yourself to these people. They don't -really- care about class anyway.

It's just their little dodge to dealing with real people and real criticisms of things they've said.

And they'll just keep going on because they have to defend the house of cards that is their belief that they're "fighting the good fight" or something, while other people are hustling to make it day to day.

Or not be attacked by some vicious hate group that's looking for the closest target...
[info]skywardprodigal wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
I'm so with 'son. Who you are, the life you've lived, doesn't matter to them. And yet, they've pushed, manipulated, and lied until you have to open a vein and speak your heart where they're still dealing in lies.
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